ZealotX wrote: »
1. Why do we look for heroes?
2; Why are the biggest and most important movies of our generation about superheroes?
3. Is it possible that we create savior myths because of evolution?
Think about it and let's discuss.[/quot]
1. For visceral reasons, I'd imagine. As a kid I was into the James Bond thing. Others too, but JB was way up there.
2. Why? Sheeeeeit. Gotta be kiddin' me. What teen age boy of about 15-18 WOULDN'T want to be him?
3. All the pussy he scored?! And all over the WORLD too! His rides as well? Threads. Lyin', stealin', did I mention a lotta pussy? Beating the shit out of mofos, getting away with it. Killin' bad guys...and getting away with it, too. Badass theme music, and just fuh'you on top of that!
4. Hmmmm...evolution? I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, evolutionary? I wouldn't bet against it at all. Both good guys, bad guys, too. Average mofoze that took a chance and "got away" with it...whatever IT was. Starts young, too. Marble shooter...baseball/football player...the best class clown... (give the class clowns some dap)...the "Waldo"-types in school...the JP types...borrow $$$ from that mofo...fuck'em...don't pay it back...do other shit for him. Gets his assed kicked...jump-in and help him out of it....team up and rob the cocksucker that beat him up. Fuck him, too.
ZealotX wrote: »
If an organism evolves that means it has to make a change that sets it apart from the other members of its species. This change makes the organism better ("super" as it were) and this change or mutation is something that we believe can help the rest of us survive.
Yeshua/Jesus was complicated in this sense because different people wanted salvation from different things. Israelites wanted a king to save them from Rome. But Romans wanted a savior to forgive them for their deeds (and possibly the power they had by means of war or causing suffering upon others). The Jewish leaders were content and could therefore sell their 'savior' to Rome as a traitor.
And like an organism in the process of evolving, Christians rushed to spread the "spiritual genetic code" of Jesus to all of humanity, or at least for all those who would accept it.
For all who wouldn't accept it, Christianity told us they would die out, leaving only the Christians who believed.
Another point of interest is the serpent because of the Bronze serpent in Numbers 21.
6 Then the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 So the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and against you; intercede with the Lord, that He will remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded for the people. 8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “[a]Make a fiery serpent, and put it on a flag pole; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, and looks at it, will live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent and put it on the flag pole; and it came about, that if a serpent bit someone, and he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
This is often seen as a precursor to Jesus. You could liken sin to the poison from a poisonous fruit or a poisonous snake.
Now let's note here that God is the one who sends the serpents just as he sent the serpent, just as he is the one who created the poison to begin with. And the people need to be saved from God, acting in jealous revenge over people using their free will... or in this case... freedom of speech. But let's make a note of that and put it aside.
Jesus is this new Adam... the one who is immune to the virus of sin, and who can spread this immunity by vaccinating the human mind and consciousness with love. Our problem is not loving each other. Us obeying God isn't a problem except that God always was a construct for the "best of" humanity. What God wanted was what the elite told the people God wanted. So how we treated each other had very real consequences to how we treated (or rebelled against) the elite.
The elite, because they are rich, are the ones who understand wealth and power. They've had it for generations and they know we want it. They are therefore always in the position to offer this power/wealth just as the serpent did.
In fact, we would be blind to our own "nakedness" (poverty) if it wasn't for the existence of seeing rich people and hearing about their lavish lifestyles. Many people wouldn't even steal or sell drugs or kill others in robberies, if they were kept in total ignorance that there were people who had millions. But those people might as well live in an untouchable city in the sky because the poor almost NEVER go after the rich.
And the rich cannot protect themselves by seeking the love of the poor so they have to use fear and the threat of death and destruction that they can afford to back up.
So again... when we understand human motivations we can see how the rich would be motivated to create what we call God. Because if they can make us listen to God we will accept our place as poor people who need God, and by extension, those God has chosen and appointed to rule over us. Why do you think evangelicals are so loyal to Trump? They believe that he was chosen by God. So even though Trump is a liar and a scam artist, they believe in him and treat him as they would a savior.
So then Trump's "spiritual genetic code" gets passed down through his tweets and the cult eats it up because they believe in him and believe that he wants the best for them like a father would for a child. It's a form of love they're seeking but perhaps for their culture they are used to a "strong" leader who inspires fear in others.
And we can even see how Q anon became a false prophecy, making Trump into a hero that would destroy the deep state and the pedophile rings of satanic rich democrats who are also socialists.
Why do people follow him? Is it the same reason people followed Hitler?
What is the social psychological mechanisms that make this possible?
Again... is it evolution?
Have we decided that either we should evolve based on love or if that doesn't work then we should evolve (and destroy the weak) based on fear and might?
basicreasoning wrote: »
I'll leave you atheist to your conversation. It is such a profound oddity that you atheist spend your wheels and times trying to dispute a God you don't believe exist, that alone is soooo ironic in my opinion.
I don't believe in Santa Claus, tooth fairy, etc, therefore, I don't waste my time orbiting around the notion that these fairy tales are fairy tales, instead they don't occupy any space in my brain. You atheist come up with conversation after conversation trying to dispute what you claim is non-existence.
Odd also, many atheist believe in Aliens, but, you all believe God can't possibly exist. *scratching my head* on that one.
ZealotX wrote: »
Greg, I enjoy your writing.
So from the answers you gave I would surmise simply this...
What we do is a reaction to our needs. Therefore as our needs change, we change with it. Because our needs are dynamic and not static, God changes too. Why? Because we NEEDED him (and not just him but different cultures needed and therefore had other gods) we created him.
It is the same reason why many people cannot shake the idea of God even when it makes no sense, even when it requires them to believe in magic, even when it forces them to ignore logic, even when it requires that they accept slavery and treating women like property.
We humans often cannot see beyond our own needs. And so often choice is an illusion and there is only Causality.
We like to think that we are the effect of God's creation. But God never needed humans. Humans needed God. We try to convince ourselves God is perfect but if he's perfect then what does he need us for? It is imperfection that creates the NEED and therefore the drive to perfect. If you think you are already there; already have everything, if there is nothing you need you will not create.
So when humans needed a warrior they prayed and sacrificed to gods of war. This is why the oldest religion is not Judaism, it's animism. Religion simply evolved like everything else.
...because it NEEDED to.
ZealotX wrote: »
But that sounds like more of a totem than anything else.
You're putting your faith into something, telling yourself, reinforcing yourself, to have a higher standard. Nothing wrong with that. Some people pray. Some people carry around lucky charms. I believe in being the lucky charm and telling yourself... don't f up.
psychologically, it's all the same.
Reality is that God has absolutely no control over your decisions and therefore cannot keep you from what you're asking him to keep you from. It was always up to you. But by you telling yourself... you are influencing your own "code"... your own neural networking... you are programming yourself not to f up. That's why I'm saying it's all the same. God was never involved in that. It's always been you. And that's not a bad thing.